But there's also an opportunity in that there isn't anything to replace. A lot of educators haven't been exposed to it when they were young. So, you know, we're trying to find space for it in the traditional school system. The hard thing about programming is, it hasn't been there traditionally. It seems like we have a long way to go, Sal, before coding becomes a foundational educational tool? I think in the next few decades, at least having a strong familiarity with software and what programming can accomplish is pretty powerful. Why should kids, who may be struggling to learn the basics of addition and subtraction, learn the basics of coding? But that was kind of my first glimpse about how exciting it could be. I eventually convinced a local professor to let me use some of his computers.

But that immediately got me hooked, where you said, hey, you can create anything you want using a computer.

And that was back in the day when you didn't have the Internet to look up things and to get help. I just started reading the manual, and I realized I could make video games on it. I was probably early high school or late middle school, and I had one of those TI-85 calculators.

What inspired you to start coding when you were a student?

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